MBB Game 3 vs Bucknell - 11/13/2019 7pm

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HUSID74 wrote:
Flying Dutchmen wrote:
HUSID74 wrote:Why does everyone think Trueheart is going to be a savior? Right now Schutte is giving us more than Trueheart EVER did. Trueheart is at best a 5-7 minute guy who comes in and chucks up threes...when he hits great but mostly he misses...what's his career shooting percentage?

This team has talent and will get better...my main concern is Pemberton who has shown he can't lead this team on or off the court...WORK IN PROGRESS!
Who thinks ST is going to be the savior? I don't think there's one person on the board who believes that. The coaching staff needs to accept that we can't run 4 guard sets all day though. I can't believe they didn't see this coming, they have to be more flexible.

Also, Jalen Ray is going to become our go-to guy, not Pemba. Eli can be a complimentary offensive player and provide the intensity on the defensive side to make the impact we need.
Several as a matter of fact, " we r getting killed on the boards they’re getting too many O rebounds and getting second chance points. We could use Trueheart in this game."
To quote a recent poster.
Yep I'll own this but never inferred that he would be a Savior I guess just pointing out the obvious that we need help in the post but do agree for sure that this team is a work in progress. We're going to have to be patient but it sure looks like we might take our lumps early on. My position is optimism lets be clear cautiously being optimistic. I'm not jumping on the PANIC TRAIN since I know the talent we have here and its going to take time for us to GEL.
As for the comment about not having enough FIREPOWER I really don't know what that means. I think if anything we have a strong offensive team our concern right out of the gate was can we score more then we give up on a consistent basis. Offense is not our problem.
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This team is going to stink. The writing was on the wall after last year. It stinks, but this is a season for many to sit back and just wait till next year. How on earth was this team picked to win the CAA? That is BANANAS.

Have a bunch of really nice guys on the team, which is great. Basketball acumen is just not there yet. Maybe they rattle off some wins and make it respectable, but this is going to be a lost season.
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Hofstra wrote:This team is going to stink. The writing was on the wall after last year. It stinks, but this is a season for many to sit back and just wait till next year. How on earth was this team picked to win the CAA? That is BANANAS.

Have a bunch of really nice guys on the team, which is great. Basketball acumen is just not there yet. Maybe they rattle off some wins and make it respectable, but this is going to be a lost season.
Hofstra such a prognosticator of doom and gloom. I hear what u r saying but be patient even Joe has stated as such we shouldn't have been picked to win the conference but most pundits picked us to finish 1-3 so is everybody crazy and out of touch. To say we're going to stink is quite a stretch. I think we have too many good players with experience to stink just need to give it some time for the pieces to fall together IMO.
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triplec2195 wrote:
Hofstra wrote:This team is going to stink. The writing was on the wall after last year. It stinks, but this is a season for many to sit back and just wait till next year. How on earth was this team picked to win the CAA? That is BANANAS.

Have a bunch of really nice guys on the team, which is great. Basketball acumen is just not there yet. Maybe they rattle off some wins and make it respectable, but this is going to be a lost season.
Hofstra such a prognosticator of doom and gloom. I hear what u r saying but be patient even Joe has stated as such we shouldn't have been picked to win the conference but most pundits picked us to finish 1-3 so is everybody crazy and out of touch. To say we're going to stink is quite a stretch. I think we have too many good players with experience to stink just need to give it some time for the pieces to fall together IMO.
Cmon.. You've seen this show how many times? This will be a down year in Hofstra basketball IMO.. My opinion, not anyone else. Just sharing what I think. Helps me to get less upset when they lose.
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Hear ya Hofstra and after watching them play 40 minutes against a D-2 team tonite you can see that there's plenty of work to be done even after a 40 point blowout. This kid Hughes other then his size I don't know what the upside is with him. He has terrible hands playing down in the post missed nice passes which should have led to easy scores. He's a wing type player and they're trying to make a 5 out of him. It's crazy. Burgess still trying to get into some kind of rhythm. Of course Coburn and Ray both looking good and Buie dishing it. We have good players on this team and I think when the smoke clears we will be happy with the play of Schutte. I just like this kids motor and he actually hit two FT's so my assessment of him being worse then Rok seems to be way off. Patience is what we all need.
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Way late here, but noting FD's thought on Ray becoming HU's go-to this year... I love Ray, big play kid with a set, and he may end up being that - but I actually think TC has the makings of that player. Bigger guard, strong, aggressive, athletic, and can play all facets of the game well.

We'll see. Frankly, I'll take ANYONE stepping up to take the reigns. Team needs it badly. And like I said, I appreciate EP and all he brings too, but he still ain't "it". He seems to need a Jordan to do his Pippen.
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Polito wrote:Way late here, but noting FD's thought on Ray becoming HU's go-to this year... I love Ray, big play kid with a set, and he may end up being that - but I actually think TC has the makings of that player. Bigger guard, strong, aggressive, athletic, and can play all facets of the game well.

We'll see. Frankly, I'll take ANYONE stepping up to take the reigns. Team needs it badly. And like I said, I appreciate EP and all he brings too, but he still ain't "it". He seems to need a Jordan to do his Pippen.
Well said Polito...we agree on this one...
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Polito wrote:Way late here, but noting FD's thought on Ray becoming HU's go-to this year... I love Ray, big play kid with a set, and he may end up being that - but I actually think TC has the makings of that player. Bigger guard, strong, aggressive, athletic, and can play all facets of the game well.

We'll see. Frankly, I'll take ANYONE stepping up to take the reigns. Team needs it badly. And like I said, I appreciate EP and all he brings too, but he still ain't "it". He seems to need a Jordan to do his Pippen.
I agree as well, Coburn has looked the best so far, but anyone stepping up to be top dog would be great.

Also, regarding Hughes... ouch. I don't think he could break the NYIT rotation. Glad I got to see him play, however, we may not see him for awhile.
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Hughes is not an inside banger...he is an outside player with a pretty good three point shot...to use him inside is a mistake as he's not strong enough...yet.
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HUSID74 wrote:Hughes is not an inside banger...he is an outside player with a pretty good three point shot...to use him inside is a mistake as he's not strong enough...yet.
completely agree HUSID. Maybe over time he bulks up and becomes an inside player, but who knows. Recall that a year ago everyone was questioning the value of KS, and now its looks like he has improved enough to provide some value.

Other issue with HH is that I and maybe the rest of us have never seen what he can really do if he is not playing the 5 spot and allowed to roam inside and out. Maybe someone else has seen him play in that role - maybe in practices or in-house scrimmages?? It may be that if he's at the 4, he cant play defense well enough to guard the corner shots - I don't know. I don't know what plans the staff really have for him. Of course, if he can improve, he's got plenty of time to do it. If it takes a year or two of hard work before he's able to contribute, I'm OK with that.
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I just don't see it with Hughes. Seems like he'll get destroyed at the 5 by CAA-level bigs, and get schooled trying to guard CAA 4's. He's a tweener who is not quick or athletic enough to play outside, and not strong enough to play inside. He can block a couple of shots and rebound perhaps simply due to his height?? Unsure.

And I'm also unsold that he's some amazing 3 shooter until I see him hit 3 or 4 in a live game against other talent guarding him. Color me highly skeptical. But hey, I was skeptical about Schutte and he has stepped up, so there's always a chance. But fair point that so far he hasn't had enough PT to show one way or another.

The fact that the locker room was so impressed and shocked at his impact during the UCLA game tells me I'm prob not far off on my assessment of his likely game impact ability.
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Polito wrote:The fact that the locker room was so impressed and shocked at his impact during the UCLA game tells me I'm prob not far off on my assessment of his likely game impact ability.
I'm glad you noticed that, I got the same impression.

The look on Joe's face when they pulled Hughes out of the NYIT game said it all. But hey, he didn't look so miserable against UCLA, maybe he found some confidence. I have concerns about his athleticism, but if he can give us any contributions from a deep bench role, it's a plus.
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Flying Dutchmen wrote:
Polito wrote:The fact that the locker room was so impressed and shocked at his impact during the UCLA game tells me I'm prob not far off on my assessment of his likely game impact ability.
I'm glad you noticed that, I got the same impression.

The look on Joe's face when they pulled Hughes out of the NYIT game said it all. But hey, he didn't look so miserable against UCLA, maybe he found some confidence. I have concerns about his athleticism, but if he can give us any contributions from a deep bench role, it's a plus.
This is why it was so important for Ray to play well at CSF, not that I'm comparing the abilities of Ray to Hughes AT ALL. But, I was wondering if Ray's breakout, career-high game was more a function of him being amped up at UCLA before returning to his usual type of output the next game, thinking that Hughes may have only raised his game because it was at UCLA after he looked pretty bad against NY Tech. The fact that Ray played well again and didn't have a letdown at CSF is a great sign going forward because they're obviously going to need him to keep producing at a high level. Jury's out on Hughes. He may or may not get the chances depending on the game, so he just has to stay ready. Hopefully, NY Tech was an aberration and what he showed at UCLA, he can provide in the likely limited opportunities he'll get later on, especially at times when there might be some foul trouble in front of him with Kante or Schutte.
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