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Wags wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 3:32 pm
Flying Dutchmen wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 3:18 pm This system is awful, the NCAA is a spineless entity. We should honestly consider disbanding our athletic program, or drop to D-III.

All of our players are truly in the portal, all it takes is a higher bidder to come along. I would never knock the players for taking the money, but I would respect our school for deciding to not participate in this complete farce of a “student-athlete” world.

I mean it kind of was a farce anyway, but at least we got to see some players stick it out, improve their games and get degrees, now it’s an encouraged cash grab. I don’t understand the end game for our school in this NIL world.
As much as I would hate to see Hofstra leave D-I, everything you said is on point.
University of Hartford did exactly this and dropped to D3 a few years ago, right after making the tourney in fact. The move was less than popular to put it mildly.

On the other end, all the reports of Siddle's contract extension at UNCW over the weekend included language about "significant investments" in NIL and staff salaries. Iona is going to hire a basketball GM. Mid-level A10 schools are tapping into famous alumni with the likes of Woj running their programs or Steph Curry financially backing their programs.

If the Hofstra administration either isn't willing or can't afford to pay up to stay competitive even with mid major schools at this level, what we saw from the team this year will only get worse
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With NIL totally changing the landscape in college sports why doesn't the NCAA setup D1 basketball the way that College football is setup with two D1 Divisions FBS AND FCS. Mid majors would only compete against other mid major schools and there would be a National championship game based on a mid major tournament. The Power schools who have more of an advantage now then ever would compete against themselves with a tourney just like it is now without all the sacrificial lambs that are thrown in as bottom seeds in the NCAA tourney. I get that some of these David's sometimes do beat Goliaths and I personally love those wins but they're few and far between. There needs to be a way to level the playing field without schools with some good basketball tradition in their history not have to move away from D1. I don't like the idea of going to my alma mater to see non D1 competition.
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1000% we cannot step away from D1. If anything, we join the MAAC or return the America east to control costs and put that money toward recruits / NIL. I’ve been done with the CAA for about 20 years - wouldn’t feel bad in the least if we returned “home”.


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The future of college basketball NCAA tournament 96 teams only the power five conferences
Next will come the NIT with 64 teams strictly for the mid majors. I've been preaching this for the last couple of years, but this is where it's going unfortunately money rules.
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stuball888 wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 7:26 pm The future of college basketball NCAA tournament 96 teams only the power five conferences
Next will come the NIT with 64 teams strictly for the mid majors. I've been preaching this for the last couple of years, but this is where it's going unfortunately money rules.
What makes money is the madness. The popularity of March Madness isn't filling out a bracket and picking Kentucky over Tennessee this week as an "upset," it's finding the right upsets and Cinderellas who can make a run from the first round. If they take that away, interest and ratings will decline, and so will the money (after the current NCAAT contract expires in 2032, but also with advertising and in other ways sooner).

They know this, that's why they always balance it with just enough mid-majors who (in a typical year) can provide the madness and the upsets along with the blue bloods who will draw money in the later rounds (not only for TV but to fill a place like Lucas Oil Stadium for a regional semifinal and final). They understand that earlier-round/later-round formula works and has worked for a long time. They'll expand to 72 or 76 at some point but not 96 for a while, if ever, and they won't make it exclusive for the Power 4, and relegate mid-majors to the NIT only. They know if they did, they'd only be hurting them$elve$.
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Wags wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 3:32 pm
Flying Dutchmen wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 3:18 pm This system is awful, the NCAA is a spineless entity. We should honestly consider disbanding our athletic program, or drop to D-III.

All of our players are truly in the portal, all it takes is a higher bidder to come along. I would never knock the players for taking the money, but I would respect our school for deciding to not participate in this complete farce of a “student-athlete” world.

I mean it kind of was a farce anyway, but at least we got to see some players stick it out, improve their games and get degrees, now it’s an encouraged cash grab. I don’t understand the end game for our school in this NIL world.
As much as I would hate to see Hofstra leave D-I, everything you said is on point.
Agree with FD - but I believe there will come a "new" normal for us- mid-major teams - I dont know if that new normal will be better or worse - but all the kinks of open transfers/NIL have yet - in my mind - been worked out.

Farmer and Parnell - I wish both - or one of them - would have stayed - but think they both must have felt slighted never getting minutes (until the 2nd half of this year) and playing behind KJ - I myself thought both Farmer and Parnell had much more upside than KJ
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Wags wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 3:32 pm
Flying Dutchmen wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 3:18 pm This system is awful, the NCAA is a spineless entity. We should honestly consider disbanding our athletic program, or drop to D-III.

All of our players are truly in the portal, all it takes is a higher bidder to come along. I would never knock the players for taking the money, but I would respect our school for deciding to not participate in this complete farce of a “student-athlete” world.

I mean it kind of was a farce anyway, but at least we got to see some players stick it out, improve their games and get degrees, now it’s an encouraged cash grab. I don’t understand the end game for our school in this NIL world.
As much as I would hate to see Hofstra leave D-I, everything you said is on point.
A week after making the tournament, St Francis has just pulled a Hartford and done exactly this...

https://www.francis.edu/blog/saint-fran ... -athletics
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dutchPride86 wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 12:37 pm
Wags wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 3:32 pm
Flying Dutchmen wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 3:18 pm This system is awful, the NCAA is a spineless entity. We should honestly consider disbanding our athletic program, or drop to D-III.

All of our players are truly in the portal, all it takes is a higher bidder to come along. I would never knock the players for taking the money, but I would respect our school for deciding to not participate in this complete farce of a “student-athlete” world.

I mean it kind of was a farce anyway, but at least we got to see some players stick it out, improve their games and get degrees, now it’s an encouraged cash grab. I don’t understand the end game for our school in this NIL world.
As much as I would hate to see Hofstra leave D-I, everything you said is on point.
A week after making the tournament, St Francis has just pulled a Hartford and done exactly this...

https://www.francis.edu/blog/saint-fran ... -athletics
I take this as a bad sign of what's to come for the sport. If a team that very narrowly missed winning an NCAAT game can see the handwriting on the wall enough to drop to D-III only a week later ( :!: ), how much more so for the dozens of lower-level D-I programs who didn't make the NCAAT (especially for those who didn't even come close), and who don't have the money to compete?
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I can't recall the article but just the other day JJ Watt just lambasted the NCAA
He said these aren't student athletes anymore
They are being paid as if they were playing in Europe
And it's like free agency and professional sports where they can go from one school to another to get more money without any penalties to them whatsoever
Also Lou Sabin echoed what AJ said and feels that soon the NCAA will not exist as we know it today. It is just another business model. They don't care about the students cause of course they don't go to class and they just did it for the money.
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stuball888 wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 1:41 pm I can't recall the article but just the other day JJ Watt just lambasted the NCAA
He said these aren't student athletes anymore
They are being paid as if they were playing in Europe
And it's like free agency and professional sports where they can go from one school to another to get more money without any penalties to them whatsoever
Also Lou Sabin echoed what AJ said and feels that soon the NCAA will not exist as we know it today. It is just another business model. They don't care about the students cause of course they don't go to class and they just did it for the money.
Let's be honest, they were always getting paid, it's just out in the open now and has more reach now with the poaching of mids by power schools because of the money in NIL form today vs. the under-the-table money in the past. But the conference realignment (Houston and BYU are now power league Sweet 16 teams this year when they would've been mid-major teams before) and player movement (free agency) are the things that are drastically changing the sport now.
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Wags wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 10:22 pm
stuball888 wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 7:26 pm The future of college basketball NCAA tournament 96 teams only the power five conferences
Next will come the NIT with 64 teams strictly for the mid majors. I've been preaching this for the last couple of years, but this is where it's going unfortunately money rules.
What makes money is the madness. The popularity of March Madness isn't filling out a bracket and picking Kentucky over Tennessee this week as an "upset," it's finding the right upsets and Cinderellas who can make a run from the first round. If they take that away, interest and ratings will decline, and so will the money (after the current NCAAT contract expires in 2032, but also with advertising and in other ways sooner).

They know this, that's why they always balance it with just enough mid-majors who (in a typical year) can provide the madness and the upsets along with the blue bloods who will draw money in the later rounds (not only for TV but to fill a place like Lucas Oil Stadium for a regional semifinal and final). They understand that earlier-round/later-round formula works and has worked for a long time. They'll expand to 72 or 76 at some point but not 96 for a while, if ever, and they won't make it exclusive for the Power 4, and relegate mid-majors to the NIT only. They know if they did, they'd only be hurting them$elve$.
On the other hand...

While people have been complaining about the heavy power conference flavor to this year's Sweet 16 and the lack of upsets and madness this year, it's notable that this has been the most-watched NCAA tournament in 32 years:
https://x.com/MM_MBB_TV/status/1904553940340859272

So, we can complain about the NCAA favoring an environment that may create that type of tournament on a regular basis going forward, but business-wise, the ratings show they're apparently not wrong.

I still think they'd regret that in time. I still believe that it's the combination of Cinderellas (at least earlier in the tournament) along with the blue bloods in the late rounds that drive the popularity but you can't (at THIS point) argue with that kind of ratings boost during this year's type of tournament.
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Back to the portal, per verbal commits Jaquan Sanders has now entered. Good luck to him, but he'll go down as the biggest bust of Speedy's portal era additions to date.

It would have been nice to have kept Parnell or Farmer, but on the whole feels like so far Hofstra has purged guys that didn't work out much more than lose anyone we'll truly miss
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This is the type of thing that has started to become more common - just add it to the list to further widen the gap between power conferences and mids:

https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1904587740349358558
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dutchPride86 wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 3:23 pm Back to the portal, per verbal commits Jaquan Sanders has now entered. Good luck to him, but he'll go down as the biggest bust of Speedy's portal era additions to date.

It would have been nice to have kept Parnell or Farmer, but on the whole feels like so far Hofstra has purged guys that didn't work out much more than lose anyone we'll truly miss
I would love to know the back story to Sanders and what precipitated his exile to Siberia because IMO there has to be more to this why he rode the bench in games where he could have been utilized. Was he injured or his practice habits and attitude contribute to his demise. I just feel like there is something more. As far as Parnell and Farmer I look at these guys as bench players. Both had some decent games but a good game or two doesn't make them starter material. We will see how they do with their next teams and that will speak volumes. I know we have been burned in the past with transfers playing well eg Marshall, Green and to some extent Cramer so hopefully this won't be a deja-vu but best of luck to all these now former players.
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Triplec - the consistent inability to develop players has started to hurt and show. In the past Hofstra would develop players JWF, Buie and Eli Pemberton come to mind. Jalen Ray as well. Not sure we are seeing that now and in part this is due to the portal.
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Mikey77 wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 7:15 pm Triplec - the consistent inability to develop players has started to hurt and show. In the past Hofstra would develop players JWF, Buie and Eli Pemberton come to mind. Jalen Ray as well. Not sure we are seeing that now and in part this is due to the portal.

Well Speedy is gonna get his chance to prove he still can develop guys. Team announced Cruz and Jean officially back! That level of continuity on its own you would think should make next year's squad better
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dutchPride86 wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 7:42 pm
Mikey77 wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 7:15 pm Triplec - the consistent inability to develop players has started to hurt and show. In the past Hofstra would develop players JWF, Buie and Eli Pemberton come to mind. Jalen Ray as well. Not sure we are seeing that now and in part this is due to the portal.

Well Speedy is gonna get his chance to prove he still can develop guys. Team announced Cruz and Jean officially back! That level of continuity on its own you would think should make next year's squad better
Towson led the nation in minutes continuity last year and although they didn't get it done in DC, that helped them go 16-2 and win the CAA regular season title, so there is definitely something to be said bringing back the same guys who you could rely on and who should each get better as juniors, especially if Edmead is working well with them. In this landscape, it's a big deal for Hofstra to be able to keep two guys like that.

It's also great for Hofstra fans, who I think like to see their players develop in second year with the team rather than starting all over with rooting for a whole new team. This is a good night for the program to keep that duo. Now let's see how the rest of the roster is built, but that's a solid core.
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dutchPride86 wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 12:37 pm A week after making the tournament, St Francis has just pulled a Hartford and done exactly this...

https://www.francis.edu/blog/saint-fran ... -athletics
The Northeast Conference will go from two St. Francis to none because St. Francis (Brooklyn) already did that.
dutchPride86 wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 7:42 pm
Mikey77 wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 7:15 pm Triplec - the consistent inability to develop players has started to hurt and show. In the past Hofstra would develop players JWF, Buie and Eli Pemberton come to mind. Jalen Ray as well. Not sure we are seeing that now and in part this is due to the portal.
Well Speedy is gonna get his chance to prove he still can develop guys. Team announced Cruz and Jean officially back! That level of continuity on its own you would think should make next year's squad better
Can anybody be "officially back" before the portal closes? They could prefer us over any other offer they have so far, but then get an offer that makes them transfer. I am not saying they will leave, but believing them now that they are staying is like believing a politician who says that he or she will not run for something. We are down to 43 percent of our minutes from players who could play for us in 2025-2026. If nobody else leaves, and Plotnikov gets another season of eligibility and stays, it will be 55 percent.

The top schools should know that if Division I breaks up like in Football, teams like Cincinnati and Central Florida could not do well enough out of conference to be above .500 while .350 in conference if most of their nonconference games were against other top conferences. The net effect would be a worse winning percentage for teams at the bottom of top conferences, and a better winning percentage for mid-majors who play all or most of their non-conference games against mid-majors. If Division I split, and poor mid-majors could not get paid to travel to schools in top conferences as much as they do now, more of them would leave Division I. If mid-majors do worse, their fans could switch to the pro league in the same sport(s) with a salary cap, stars signed to long contracts, and top draft picks to help the worst teams. St. John's' fans should know that for mid-majors including us exist like if Aaron Judge could win MVP and leave the Yankees any season. In fact, at some point before some MLB salaries got as extremely high as they are now, one of the owners proposed to make all contracts be one year. Since teams would not have to sign players for years including after their peak to get their peak years, former stars would not have gotten paid as much, so owners would not have had to spend as much money. That owner was unable to convince the other owners. I think the proposal was in the 1970s or 1980s, and I will look it up if somebody cares.
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dutchPride86 wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 7:42 pm
Mikey77 wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 7:15 pm Triplec - the consistent inability to develop players has started to hurt and show. In the past Hofstra would develop players JWF, Buie and Eli Pemberton come to mind. Jalen Ray as well. Not sure we are seeing that now and in part this is due to the portal.
Well Speedy is gonna get his chance to prove he still can develop guys. Team announced Cruz and Jean officially back! That level of continuity on its own you would think should make next year's squad better
Did someone show them the money?
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