Game 20 at James Madison on February 13, 2021 at 2:00 P.M.

[EvanJ]

I think I heard HU was out rebounded - didn’t look at the box score but that can’t happen. I thought Kante would dominate the glass and it felt like they got a bunch of offensive rebounds.

In the first half we had more rebounds 19 to 14. In the second half they had more rebounds 23 to 14. That made 37 to 33. Keep in mind that since most rebounds are defensive, it's hard to have more rebounds if you miss more shots. It sounds strange to say, but rebounding amounts measures more than just rebounding ability. https://static.caasports.com/custompage ... NFLDRS.HTM has 21 team statistics, and one-third are rebounding. There's rebounding offensive (which I think is a poor term to describe a team's rebounds), rebounding defense (which I think is a poor term to describe opponent's rebounds), rebounding margin, offensive rebounds, defensive rebounds, offensive rebounding percentage, and defensive rebounding percentage. In addition to rebounding margin, you can add a team's defensive rebounding percentage and offensive rebounding percentage and above 1.000 is good. Defensive rebounding percentage would be like if in baseball you took 1 minus your opponents' batting average and called it defensive batting average. We have a defensive percentage of .724 and an offensive percentage of .298 for a sum of 1.022. After outrebounding us yesterday, JMU's sum is 1.005.

Let them do that next year in front of a crowd. Let them do it during Military Appreciation night. See what the reaction will be.

That's exactly the point. If EVERYONE follows the Constitution, no one should care. No one should feel pressured to not exercise their rights protected by the Constitution, whether in an empty arena, a full one, or anything in between. Many veterans have said that's the reason they served and fought overseas, to protect that right. We are a free country with certain rights protected by our Constitution. Everyone should be respecting those rights.

This is unrelated to the team, but a unique way to show how the country is divided would be to write a dystopian story about people only using businesses they agree with politically. For example, imagine if only Republicans at McDonald's and only Democrats ate Wendy's. As it is, if you display the American flag some people will assume you are a Republican.

Who's to say it's not the time or place? Maybe sporting events aren't the time and place for the national anthem. Just play the game. I don't hear the national anthem before a concert, which would arguably more appropriate since that involves music.

Somebody wrote to Newsday that since the anthem isn't played before concerts, religious services, and other events, it shouldn't be played before games. A few years ago, a USA Today writer said that we should stop playing the anthem because playing it started because of a war that doesn't matter now and that people buy food and vape during it.

[HofstraPride1]

I think I heard HU was out rebounded - didn’t look at the box score but that can’t happen. I thought Kante would dominate the glass and it felt like they got a bunch of offensive rebounds.

In the first half we had more rebounds 19 to 14. In the second half they had more rebounds 23 to 14. That made 37 to 33. Keep in mind that since most rebounds are defensive, it's hard to have more rebounds if you miss more shots. It sounds strange to say, but rebounding amounts measures more than just rebounding ability. https://static.caasports.com/custompage ... NFLDRS.HTM has 21 team statistics, and one-third are rebounding. There's rebounding offensive (which I think is a poor term to describe a team's rebounds), rebounding defense (which I think is a poor term to describe opponent's rebounds), rebounding margin, offensive rebounds, defensive rebounds, offensive rebounding percentage, and defensive rebounding percentage. In addition to rebounding margin, you can add a team's defensive rebounding percentage and offensive rebounding percentage and above 1.000 is good. Defensive rebounding percentage would be like if in baseball you took 1 minus your opponents' batting average and called it defensive batting average. We have a defensive percentage of .724 and an offensive percentage of .298 for a sum of 1.022. After outrebounding us yesterday, JMU's sum is 1.005.

I would have zero issue if sporting events stopped playing anthem.
Let them do that next year in front of a crowd. Let them do it during Military Appreciation night. See what the reaction will be.

That's exactly the point. If EVERYONE follows the Constitution, no one should care. No one should feel pressured to not exercise their rights protected by the Constitution, whether in an empty arena, a full one, or anything in between. Many veterans have said that's the reason they served and fought overseas, to protect that right. We are a free country with certain rights protected by our Constitution. Everyone should be respecting those rights.

This is unrelated to the team, but a unique way to show how the country is divided would be to write a dystopian story about people only using businesses they agree with politically. For example, imagine if only Republicans at McDonald's and only Democrats ate Wendy's. As it is, if you display the American flag some people will assume you are a Republican.

Who's to say it's not the time or place? Maybe sporting events aren't the time and place for the national anthem. Just play the game. I don't hear the national anthem before a concert, which would arguably more appropriate since that involves music.

Somebody wrote to Newsday that since the anthem isn't played before concerts, religious services, and other events, it shouldn't be played before games. A few years ago, a USA Today writer said that we should stop playing the anthem because playing it started because of a war that doesn't matter now and that people buy food and vape during it.

[Wags]

This is unrelated to the team, but a unique way to show how the country is divided would be to write a dystopian story about people only using businesses they agree with politically. For example, imagine if only Republicans at McDonald's and only Democrats ate Wendy's.

Lol, that would be an interesting story. But I'd rather just see us all find a way to get along.

As it is, if you display the American flag some people will assume you are a Republican.

Which is insane. Anyone should be able to proudly display the flag with nothing assumed about them other than that they are proudly American.

Somehow, the GOP has successfully wrapped itself in the flag, even while storming the Capitol building and while brutally beating others (including police officers they claim to support) with the pole of that same flag -- which I have a far bigger problem with than someone kneeling for the anthem. We all should. But there's little outrage over that.

Somebody wrote to Newsday that since the anthem isn't played before concerts, religious services, and other events, it shouldn't be played before games. A few years ago, a USA Today writer said that we should stop playing the anthem because playing it started because of a war that doesn't matter now and that people buy food and vape during it.

I wouldn't have a problem either way, whether it continues to be played before games, or for the reasons we've stated, it ceases before games.

By the way, Hofstra wasn't the only team that kneeled at The Mack last weekend. All but one player on Drexel's roster kneeled on Saturday while that one player and the entire staff stood for the anthem. Where do we draw the line? Is standing with your hands behind your back okay, or do you have to place your hand on your heart, too? And why is that for someone else to decide when you have a right to do what you choose?

Last Saturday, Drexel was more cohesive - players and staff alike - than Hofstra was during the game, enough to pull of an upset road win. Drexel did the same regarding the anthem the following day at The Mack. There's a lesson there, I think. If a team playing the game can respect its own differences regarding what to do during the anthem and still work well together during the game, perhaps fans can kind of let it go themselves no matter what some fans, players or anyone else decides to do during the anthem.

[Hofstra]

More defense on this thread than Hofstra has played all season.

[Wags]

More defense on this thread than Hofstra has played all season.

Your snide remark aside, yup, people's Constitutionally-protected rights to do something that's within those rights should always be defended.

[fiftiespride]

Wags, I completely agree with your comments on Saturdays game and more importantly also on social issues. Patriotism is no more about the rituals than being religious is. Honoring the values by behaving
accordingly is. Many of us kneel to pray, some to propose; there is nothing inherently more respectful about standing than kneeling. We have LEARNED certain behaviors are appropriate and when not followed we often become more outraged than we do at the inequities it protests. I understand the feelings of resentment or this is not the time or place. I came to be entertained not to be provoked by some political spectacle for some cause I may not understand. I understand them because I felt them when John Carlos and Tommy Smith engaged in the black power salute on the medal stand at the 1968 Mexico Olympic games. 53 years ago most of you were young pups and some not even around yet but I was a young man of 31 and remember clearly my feelings paralleling some of yours now.
The hatred and opprobrium that rained down on these men cost them friends, a marriage in Carlos' case, job opportunities and followed them for years. Both have said they wouldn't hesitate to do it again. Smith said: " we were just human beings who saw a need to bring attention to the inequality in our country. I don't like the idea of people looking at it as a negative. There was nothing but a raised fist in the air and a bowed head acknowledging the American flag- not symbolizing hatred for it." Interestingly world reaction was far more favorable than here in the US. Norman, an Aussie, who finished between them in the 200 asked not to be included in the statue symbolizing the moment(at San Jose St.) so that others could have their picture taken standing between them. They were both pall bearers at Normans' funeral and Carlos was asked to give the eulogy. As Wags notes social change comes slowly.
This non conformity to a ritual on a world stage certainly garnered the attention it was meant to and stimulated much discussion and the civil rights movement. It is unfortunate we become more outraged over the lack of observance to an arbitrary ritual than we do the injustices it is meant to protest. Reverse hatred? I don't get it either. Forgive them for they know not what they do? Forgive them for what?
It is unfortunate just how tribal we have become and I salute the board for just how apolitical it has largely remained. We are joined by our love for Hofstra and particularly our athletics. Let's all do what we can to promote and advance it.
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[Wags]

Wags, I completely agree with your comments on Saturdays game and more importantly also on social issues. Patriotism is no more about the rituals than being religious is. Honoring the values by behaving accordingly is.

That's a very good analogy. I think we often get too caught up in the symbolism of things and make that symbolism more important than what the symbols are supposed to represent. And then, as a result, things can very easily get twisted.

Many of us kneel to pray, some to propose; there is nothing inherently more respectful about standing than kneeling. We have LEARNED certain behaviors are appropriate and when not followed we often become more outraged than we do at the inequities it protests. I understand the feelings of resentment or this is not the time or place. I came to be entertained not to be provoked by some political spectacle for some cause I may not understand. I understand them because I felt them when John Carlos and Tommy Smith engaged in the black power salute on the medal stand at the 1968 Mexico Olympic games. 53 years ago most of you were young pups and some not even around yet but I was a young man of 31 and remember clearly my feelings paralleling some of yours now.
The hatred and opprobrium that rained down on these men cost them friends, a marriage in Carlos' case, job opportunities and followed them for years. Both have said they wouldn't hesitate to do it again. Smith said: " we were just human beings who saw a need to bring attention to the inequality in our country. I don't like the idea of people looking at it as a negative. There was nothing but a raised fist in the air and a bowed head acknowledging the American flag- not symbolizing hatred for it." Interestingly world reaction was far more favorable than here in the US. Norman, an Aussie, who finished between them in the 200 asked not to be included in the statue symbolizing the moment(at San Jose St.) so that others could have their picture taken standing between them. They were both pall bearers at Normans' funeral and Carlos was asked to give the eulogy. As Wags notes social change comes slowly.

Thanks for bringing a different, very interesting perspective to this on what I commented on earlier.

It is unfortunate just how tribal we have become and I salute the board for just how apolitical it has largely remained. We are joined by our love for Hofstra and particularly our athletics. Let's all do what we can to promote and advance it.

It IS unfortunate, very, and that's going to be very difficult to fix. Sadly, social media spreads misinformation that shapes opinions very quickly. We may not always agree, but I think if two sides are coming at the same topic from different standpoints, they both have to at least start with a baseline of truth and facts. But we now have things called "alternative facts" which are really just lies based on misinformation. I think we need to start there, with getting back to that baseline of truth and facts no matter the perspective.

But yes, I echo your salute and everything else you said after. It was obvious today that even with a topic like this, there's nothing like Hofstra hoops losing another game we'd like to see them win to bring us together again - now, let's hope we can do the same through some W's from here on out!

[Pride97]

Thank you fiftiespride for the analogy and perspective. Agree with all your points.


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