NIT Thread

[HofstraPride1]

LOL, hey where are all the "the CAA is awesome!" people?? I thought this conf was so tough that it gave us great seeding when we make the post-season?

Pretty sure that's you Wags

Breaking chops here. I agree 100%, the fact that this team won the CAA regular title, lost in the champ game, and set the school record for wins couldn't even host a game and that got slapped a 7 seed in the 2nd tier tourney is pitiful guys.

I'm not knocking HU here, I'm knocking this over-ego'd conf. And the CAA commissioner who is NOWHERE IN SIGHT.

I really can't stand this conf. Sure that's clear lol. And no I have no better option, not the point - this is HU's conf for better or worse, I get it.

The argument was always the CAA vs. staying in the America East.

Um, anyone see any America East teams in the NIT this year? Maybe second-place Stony Brook, going 24-8? No? Uh, how about third-place UMBC, off of last year's shocker over Virginia, with 21 wins this year? Hmm, no again? Anyone else from the America East in the NIT? No? Okay, then. Be glad the CAA at least has Hofstra in the NIT instead of whatever other garbage tourney you, yourself, and others here have complained about Hofstra playing in - because that's where Stony Brook, the America East's "mighty two seed" is headed, IF they're lucky.

They are automatically in NIT because of winning CAA regular season and it has nothing to do with strength of conference. If Vermont had lost in America East tourney they also would have been in NIT.

[Polito]

Exactly. Thank you HP1. Facts folks. Just the facts.

Z E R O benefit. Carry on.


Let's please win a big one here for the love of all things. Please Joe. Please staff. Please JWF. PLEASE BUIE and PEMBA. Please bring some swag to Raleigh and turn this ending around with a solid road NIT W!

Simple. Thank you.

[Wags]

LOL, hey where are all the "the CAA is awesome!" people?? I thought this conf was so tough that it gave us great seeding when we make the post-season?

Pretty sure that's you Wags

Breaking chops here. I agree 100%, the fact that this team won the CAA regular title, lost in the champ game, and set the school record for wins couldn't even host a game and that got slapped a 7 seed in the 2nd tier tourney is pitiful guys.

I'm not knocking HU here, I'm knocking this over-ego'd conf. And the CAA commissioner who is NOWHERE IN SIGHT.

I really can't stand this conf. Sure that's clear lol. And no I have no better option, not the point - this is HU's conf for better or worse, I get it.

The argument was always the CAA vs. staying in the America East.

Um, anyone see any America East teams in the NIT this year? Maybe second-place Stony Brook, going 24-8? No? Uh, how about third-place UMBC, off of last year's shocker over Virginia, with 21 wins this year? Hmm, no again? Anyone else from the America East in the NIT? No? Okay, then. Be glad the CAA at least has Hofstra in the NIT instead of whatever other garbage tourney you, yourself, and others here have complained about Hofstra playing in - because that's where Stony Brook, the America East's "mighty two seed" is headed, IF they're lucky.

They are automatically in NIT because of winning CAA regular season and it has nothing to do with strength of conference. If Vermont had lost in America East tourney they also would have been in NIT.

I get that, but although they only got a 7 seed, I think with 27 wins and 15 in the CAA, plus a CAA finals appearance, Hofstra would still have got one of the last NIT spots even if they had finished second in the CAA. In the AE, there's no chance at all of that. Of course, I'm assuming here, and we'll never know, but I think they'd have received an invitation, especially seeing some of the other teams rated lower than Hofstra who were non-regular season conference winners, who got invited - even if they got higher seeds than Hofstra (I think they're more likely to pick the correct teams than to seed them properly, which they're awful at, though some of that is to match up geography for travel the best they can).

[EvanJ]

They are automatically in NIT because of winning CAA regular season and it has nothing to do with strength of conference. If Vermont had lost in America East tourney they also would have been in NIT.

Yes, but if both tournaments were won by 1 seeds, Northeastern would have been more likely to make the NIT than Stony Brook.

North Carolina State is the top team out in the NET in 33rd, but they're 97th in the RPI. The reason is that they won their first three games by a combined score of 300-153. That helped them in the NET, which includes margin of victory. The RPI does not include margin of victory, and those three teams went 7-22, 5-25, and 2-26 against Division I teams while in bad conferences. North Carolina State went 12-1 out of conference, but that had only 1 away and 2 neutral games, and 10 of the wins were against teams with 11 or fewer Division I wins. 6 of the wins were against teams with 7 or fewer Division I wins. 5 of the wins were against teams with at least 25 losses. Including CAA and out of conference games, we played one game against a team with at least 25 losses, which was a 78-52 win at 4-26 (vs. Division I) Kennesaw State. 18 teams (5.1 percent) had at least 25 losses, so playing 5 of those teams is a weak schedule.

[Wags]

They are automatically in NIT because of winning CAA regular season and it has nothing to do with strength of conference. If Vermont had lost in America East tourney they also would have been in NIT.

Yes, but if both tournaments were won by 1 seeds, Northeastern would have been more likely to make the NIT than Stony Brook.

Yes.

Also, the CAA has also prepared its teams well for the NCAAT, where the league has been very competitive:

18 of the past 22 first-round games involving CAA teams have ended in victory or a single-digit loss (14 by five points or less).

And, as even Polito admitted, there is no better option right now. So then, why do we go through this waste-of-time exercise every March? Instead of worrying about the league HU's in, worry about playing enough defense in the first half of a title game or not having a POY go 2/16 in another title game. It's not like the CAA hasn't given HU some great opportunities to accomplish what it wants to do. It's that HU hasn't yet taken full advantage of them.

[The Shadow]

To everyone, if HU had defeated NU in the CAAT, do any of you think that NU would have been offered an NIT bid? Also, what type of seed would NU have received, would it be a #7 or even possibly a #8? What does this #7 seeding mean to the respect that the NCAA gives to a 27 win HU team and the rest of the CAA? I guess this shows what we always have thought might happen, but where too naïve to realize. The NIT bracketology projections that we all saw earlier had HU as a #6 seed that I thought was way too low. I guess I was very mistaken on the projected NIT seeding.

[Hofstra]

It's cool that its a big name, but if we beat them people will say they were bummed, and didnt care about the NIT. If we lose to them, we were supposed to lose.

Robert Morris beat Kentucky in the NIT a few years ago. No one at Kentucky remembers that. No one at NC State cares about this game. Again, it's cool to have a big name, but just another let down for us.

[Wags]

To everyone, if HU had defeated NU in the CAAT, do any of you think that NU would have been offered an NIT bid? Also, what type of seed would NU have received, would it be a #7 or even possibly a #8? What does this #7 seeding mean to the respect that the NCAA gives to a 27 win HU team and the rest of the CAA? I guess this shows what we always have thought might happen, but where too naïve to realize. The NIT bracketology projections that we all saw earlier had HU as a #6 seed that I thought was way too low. I guess I was very mistaken on the projected NIT seeding.

Has more to do with Hofstra having basically no postseason reputation to speak of (no NCAA tourney wins, only 2 NIT wins) in its entire D-I history than any conference affiliation. Supposed to always be about the current year, but we know what really happens when these committees get in the room.

[Wags]

It's cool that its a big name, but if we beat them people will say they were bummed, and didnt care about the NIT. If we lose to them, we were supposed to lose.

Robert Morris beat Kentucky in the NIT a few years ago. No one at Kentucky remembers that. No one at NC State cares about this game. Again, it's cool to have a big name, but just another let down for us.

Robert Morris only won by two and Rupp was unavailable, so Kentucky played that game as a 1 seed at Robert Morris, and 8 seed. Robert Morris probably doesn't hang with them at Rupp that year. No such luck playing down in Raleigh for HU this year. But, if they hit their 3s and JWF goes off (two very possible things), they should have a shot.

[The Shadow]

To Wags, So what possible seed in the NIT would NU have possibly have received? This would tell us what the NCAA selection committee thinks of the CAA basketball. I also believe that any discussion on a change of leagues is worthless at this time. As for the NCSU game, remember the 3 point line has been extended, no 1&1 fouls, and a reset at 20 seconds for an offensive rebound. Maybe this may help HU on Tuesday night.

[Polito]

Ok, so to speak on this game, let's catch these guys sleeping and dejected - their fan base is disgusted at no NCAA - don't like or want NIT, some said don't even play it I LOVE this - very little interest, and will not be a big crowd to contend with

I can picture Keatts trying to convince these ACC kids that HU shouldn't be overlooked, and them yes'ing him to death.

If HU can get over their own dejection and bring a fire in the belly, they can take this game. And I know it sucks, Lord knows I know it, this isn't the dance, but even I will take HU winning NIT games over nothing any day, esp over an ACC team.

Already know not a daggone person will care in the hoops scene but us, and yep it would be because they slept through it, but that's what we've got here - HU needs a post-season run. In the worst way. I have to say I enjoyed immensely the 2 wins from years ago, and it would've been a big deal for HU to make it to the Garden for the FF - 1 home win away, just had to face ODU for the umpteenth time which sucked.

But if HU were to do that, and make the FF, yeah that would be big time for this program. BUT that's a BIG IF.

Let's steal one here, and take it from there.


For the conf, agree fully HU hasn't taken advantage at all - very frustrating - this conf gets easier and easier, and HU blows it every year. Getting even EASIER without Shaver - the excuses are getting real thin. If non-existent at this point.

But you've only proven my point more. Vermont got a 13, same as NU. Liberty got a 12 (a program by the way I said the CAA should add IF they expanded, to much disagreement).

And it's opinion at this point, but there's no way in heck that HU gets in the NIT without winning the regular season - silly to think they would. They don't deserve any at-large anywhere - know why? They beat absolutely NO ONE in the OOC that anyone in the hoops world cares about. Just the facts guys.

You're right - all this has noting to do with conf affiliation, just the program - I've been saying that for YEARS my friend. Proves my point.

Oh, and do me a favor with that cherry picked stat of competitiveness of the CAA, re-run it without the VA 3. And I've already disproven that theory of the CAA making battle-tested teams. Lower tiers have pulled plenty of upsets. And I didn't even need to mention UMBC.

NU will make it a decent game against KU, and lose. And no one, except maybe you Wags my friend, will care or think that's some feather in the CAA cap. Or in HU's. It isn't.

There is no argument here - the CAA is not what you think it is, and is not doing what you think for HU. But as we do both agree, doesn't mean squat because HU isn't going anywhere, and HU has only itself to blame for the numerous missed opportunities. And that of course leads us to...coaching (depth and D) which I won't address here!

BEAT NC STATE!

[Wags]

Wags, So what possible seed in the NIT would NU have possibly have received? This would tell us what the NCAA selection committee thinks of the CAA basketball.

It's all just guessing. The committee does whatever it wants. That's pretty obvious. With the NIT, especially, it's not about conference affiliation. The committee is going to select and seed based on who it thinks will sell tickets the best at MSG. That's how Georgetown (rated lower than Hofstra) got a 3 seed while Hofstra got a 7 in the same bracket. But I do think NU would've had a decent chance to make the field, even with a low seed. There was no shot at all of that happening for Stony Brook.

As for the NCSU game, remember the 3 point line has been extended, no 1&1 fouls, and a reset at 20 seconds for an offensive rebound. Maybe this may help HU on Tuesday night.

There's also shooting FTs at 5 fouls over the first 10 minutes of a half and the same over the last 10 minutes of a half and a wider lane (from the college 12" to the NBA 16"). These rule changes will only help HU if they're aggressive. That's obvious with the 5 fouls in each 10-minute period, but the wider lane should open things up for JWF and maybe others to penetrate and get to the rim, draw fouls, or kick to shooters. The 3-pt. line is less that 2" longer, so not too much of a difference. I don't see the reset to :20 instead of :30 mattering too much.

[Wags]

Ok, so to speak on this game, let's catch these guys sleeping and dejected - their fan base is disgusted at no NCAA - don't like or want NIT, some said don't even play it I LOVE this - very little interest, and will not be a big crowd to contend with

I can picture Keatts trying to convince these ACC kids that HU shouldn't be overlooked, and them yes'ing him to death.

If HU can get over their own dejection and bring a fire in the belly, they can take this game. And I know it sucks, Lord knows I know it, this isn't the dance, but even I will take HU winning NIT games over nothing any day, esp over an ACC team.

Already know not a daggone person will care in the hoops scene but us, and yep it would be because they slept through it, but that's what we've got here - HU needs a post-season run. In the worst way. I have to say I enjoyed immensely the 2 wins from years ago, and it would've been a big deal for HU to make it to the Garden for the FF - 1 home win away, just had to face ODU for the umpteenth time which sucked.

But if HU were to do that, and make the FF, yeah that would be big time for this program. BUT that's a BIG IF.

Let's steal one here, and take it from there.


For the conf, agree fully HU hasn't taken advantage at all - very frustrating - this conf gets easier and easier, and HU blows it every year. Getting even EASIER without Shaver - the excuses are getting real thin. If non-existent at this point.

But you've only proven my point more. Vermont got a 13, same as NU. Liberty got a 12 (a program by the way I said the CAA should add IF they expanded, to much disagreement).

And it's opinion at this point, but there's no way in heck that HU gets in the NIT without winning the regular season - silly to think they would. They don't deserve any at-large anywhere - know why? They beat absolutely NO ONE in the OOC that anyone in the hoops world cares about. Just the facts guys.

You're right - all this has noting to do with conf affiliation, just the program - I've been saying that for YEARS my friend. Proves my point.

Oh, and do me a favor with that cherry picked stat of competitiveness of the CAA, re-run it without the VA 3. And I've already disproven that theory of the CAA making battle-tested teams. Lower tiers have pulled plenty of upsets. And I didn't even need to mention UMBC.

NU will make it a decent game against KU, and lose. And no one, except maybe you Wags my friend, will care or think that's some feather in the CAA cap. Or in HU's. It isn't.

There is no argument here - the CAA is not what you think it is, and is not doing what you think for HU. But as we do both agree, doesn't mean squat because HU isn't going anywhere, and HU has only itself to blame for the numerous missed opportunities. And that of course leads us to...coaching (depth and D) which I won't address here!

BEAT NC STATE!

I won't say JWF, since he might've come anyway with Speedy recruiting him, but I'm not sure Taylor leaves Purdue for an America East team, nor do they maybe recruit Pemberton, Ray, Couburn, maybe not Jenkins in the past, nor others they might get in the future if they stay in the America East. Maybe they're Hartford for the past several years instead of having some of the better caliber players they've had and at least the opportunities they've had as higher seeds in the CAA tournament. There's this assumption that somehow had they stayed in the AE, they'd have dominated like they did in the days of Speedy or Norman. Do we know that for sure? Or would they have been Hartford? I'll take what they've had by comparison, even with the close disappointments like last Tuesday. That in itself is worth being in a better league.

[The Shadow]

To Wags, Thanks for your reply and the added NIT rule changes. I think the NCSU game could be very interesting since it will be one of the first games played with these changes. Here's hoping that Coach Joe and staff have a few added offensive and defensive looks.

[Wags]

To Wags, Thanks for your reply and the added NIT rule changes. I think the NCSU game could be very interesting since it will be one of the first games played with these changes. Here's hoping that Coach Joe and staff have a few added offensive and defensive looks.

Three of the changes vs. the rest of this season are from last year's NIT:

• The 3-point line will be extended by approximately 1 foot, 8 inches to the same distance used by FIBA for international competition (22 feet, 1.75 inches).
• The free throw lane will be widened from 12 feet to 16 feet, consistent with the width used by the NBA.
• The shot clock will reset to 20 seconds after an offensive rebound instead of the full 30 seconds.

This is new for this year:

• Team fouls will reset at the 10-minute mark of each half for the purpose of determining free throws and one-and-one free throws will be eliminated. Teams will shoot two bonus free throws after the fifth team foul of each 10-minute segment. Additionally, teams will be awarded two bonus free throws after the second team foul committed under two minutes remaining in each half if that foul occurs before the fifth team foul of the segment. In each overtime period, team fouls will reset, and teams will shoot two free throws beginning with the fourth team foul or the second team foul committed under two minutes remaining if that comes before the fourth team foul of the overtime period.

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-me ... d-2019-nit

[The Shadow]

To Wags, Thanks for the information.

[HUSID74]

We were definitely screwed by getting a 7 seed and I blame it on our Conference and our loser commissioner...who does nothing!

Look at the rankings of the 7 seeds; Hofstra 76, Wright St 140, S Dakota St 104, Loyola 128....COME ON MAN!

6 seeds; Harvard 129, Wichita 83, Toledo 62, San Diego 97

Tell me we weren't screwed.

[Polito]

ZERO lobbying - CAA commish is dead weight - pitiful job so far for the conf - joke tv coverage, not an ounce of attention or shine all year for any team, no fight from this guy whatsoever to lobby for this conf's quality and proper seeding for the NCAAT and NIT - no one knows a darn thing about this conf anywhere in the country, which is sad after how much light this conf had just a few years ago with the VA 3 - something needs to be done - the AD's need to unify and have a nice firm convo with him. Step up and do your job or gtfo.

Wags, agree on the changes here potentially benefiting HU - esp the foul reset for guys like JT who can maybe play more aggressively and still be good to go all game. 3 point line move will be fine for JWF - others might have a harder time...

[tribeheart]

You deserved a better seed, but regardless you've got to go through quality teams to get to MSG. Just as well be playing your early round games on ESPN primetime which get you recognition and bigger wins.

Give Keatts and Bryce a CAA love kiss and drill the hell out of them. Best of luck and go rep, guys!

[Jojogunne]

Seeding really does not matter. If we're that good and NCSU is that good, we would face them or somebody equally as tough in the second round anyway.

To be the best you have to play the best.

That said, I agree 100% about the comments on the CAA and its so-called leadership. It is a terrible conference for us. Has been for years.