CAA Men's Basketball in February 2022 Including Scenarios

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Towson started an 11-0 run with 2:24 for an easy 79-55 win at UNCW. UNCW's Jayeln Sims led all players with 22, but UNCW had two double-digit scorers, and Towson had five. That made UNCW 12-3, Towson 11-3, and if they tie with us in sole third, Towson wins the tiebreaker because of a better record against us. That means if Towson wins every game and we win at least three, Towson gets the 1 seed. JMU led by 10 at Charleston, but it's now 54-54. Drexel led by 16 at W&M and now leads 54-45. Delaware leads 50-43 at Elon.

Edit: JMU won 71-63 at Charleston, and Charleston was favored by 6. Drexel won 72-57 at W&M, but a Drexel fan says it feels like a loss because Camren Wynter hurt his leg. Details aren't know yet. If he is out, it makes it easier for Elon, UNCW, and Charleston to beat them. Delaware won 71-62 at Elon. All four road teams won by at least 8 and score 63 or fewer. The standings are:

UNCW 12-3
Towson 11-3
Hofstra 10-4
Delaware 9-5
Drexel 8-7
Charleston 6-7
JMU 6-9
Elon 5-10
W&M 4-11
Northeastern 1-13
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EvanJ wrote:Towson started an 11-0 run with 2:24 for an easy 79-55 win at UNCW. UNCW's Jayeln Sims led all players with 22, but UNCW had two double-digit scorers, and Towson had five. That made UNCW 12-3, Towson 11-3, and if they tie with us in sole third, Towson wins the tiebreaker because of a better record against us. That means if Towson wins every game and we win at least three, Towson gets the 1 seed. JMU led by 10 at Charleston, but it's now 54-54. Drexel led by 16 at W&M and now leads 54-45. Delaware leads 50-43 at Elon.

Edit: JMU won 71-63 at Charleston, and Charleston was favored by 6. Drexel won 72-57 at W&M, but a Drexel fan says it feels like a loss because Camren Wynter hurt his leg. Details aren't know yet. If he is out, it makes it easier for Elon, UNCW, and Charleston to beat them. Delaware won 71-62 at Elon. All four road teams won by at least 8 and score 63 or fewer. The standings are:

UNCW 12-3
Towson 11-3
Hofstra 10-4
Delaware 9-5
Drexel 8-7
Charleston 6-7
JMU 6-9
Elon 5-10
W&M 4-11
Northeastern 1-13
* Towson has Charleston and JMU on the road and JMU at home. Towson also has to complete an eariler suspended game, down 8 at home to Delaware with 18:42 left.
* UNCW has JMU at home, then Drexel and Delaware on the road.
* Hofstra closes with four at home and will be favored to win all of them (against NU, Elon, W&M, CofC).

So, kind of funny, but the things that could have a big say in how the top 3 seeds shake out are the completion of an earlier suspended game and the school that's leaving the conference.
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Yes much rather have to play UNCW in a semi final game then Towson who I think is the team to beat in this league.
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JMU's Julien Wooden punched a UNCW player. UNCW has eight regulars, and three of them got ejected for leaving the bench, which reminds of the Knicks against Miami in the Conference Semifinals in the 1990s. JMU had Wooden and Justin Amadi ejected. If JMU gets players suspended, it will help Towson, whose next two games are against JMU. The fight (or whatever you call it) and review caused a 15 minute delay, so the game started at 7:00 P.M., and at 9:10 there is 4:11 left. In addition, JMU has three timeouts left, and UNCW just called their third-to-last timeout. UNCW is shooting threes 4-23. UNCW hasn't made a field goal in the last 5:05, and JMU leads 71-62.
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now 71-71 going to OT
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UNCW wins in OT…THOUGHT JMU would win it but NG…By the way, UNCWs uniforms look straight out of a beer league softball catalogue
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UNCW won 78-77 with 2 free throws with 0.6 seconds left in overtime. UNCW won both games against JMU by 1 in the last second. We didn't get help from Towson or UNCW losing. Drexel won by 11, and the other four games were decided by 11 combined.

Charleston is at Northeastern on Tuesday, JMU is at Towson on Wednesday, and the teams other than JMU and Towson play on Thursday.
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Guys look again UNCW website says JMU beat UNCW in OT 77-76
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Sorry its 78-77 UNCW. Foul called with no time remaining.
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It was 0.6 seconds.

If we win out, Delaware wins out including over UNCW and Towson, and Towson loses at least one of two to JMU, we get the 1 seed.
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EvanJ wrote: If we win out, Delaware wins out including over UNCW and Towson, and Towson loses at least one of two to JMU, we get the 1 seed.
This scenario is fairly plausible, especially since Delaware is already leading the game at Towson, 38-29, with 18:42 left. If it has any effect on Hofstra's positioning, that game (which resumes at 6 pm) should end before Hofstra tips against Charleston (at 7 pm) on Mon 2/28.

Delaware hosts the game against UNCW and JMU is capable of getting at least one against Towson.
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Wags wrote:
EvanJ wrote: If we win out, Delaware wins out including over UNCW and Towson, and Towson loses at least one of two to JMU, we get the 1 seed.
This scenario is fairly plausible, especially since Delaware is already leading the game at Towson, 38-29, with 18:42 left. If it has any effect on Hofstra's positioning, that game (which resumes at 6 pm) should end before Hofstra tips against Charleston (at 7 pm) on Mon 2/28.

Delaware hosts the game against UNCW and JMU is capable of getting at least one against Towson.
Fingers crossed although after watching our last game wouldn't assume we win out but certainly hope we do.
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triplec2195 wrote:
Wags wrote:
EvanJ wrote: If we win out, Delaware wins out including over UNCW and Towson, and Towson loses at least one of two to JMU, we get the 1 seed.
This scenario is fairly plausible, especially since Delaware is already leading the game at Towson, 38-29, with 18:42 left. If it has any effect on Hofstra's positioning, that game (which resumes at 6 pm) should end before Hofstra tips against Charleston (at 7 pm) on Mon 2/28.

Delaware hosts the game against UNCW and JMU is capable of getting at least one against Towson.
Fingers crossed although after watching our last game wouldn't assume we win out but certainly hope we do.
As we've seen, nothing can be assumed with team this season. But they're better than Elon, W&M (even though they lost them on the road), and Charleston (even though that was a close one on the road). I think, having survived on Saturday, keeping the winning streak alive, having Mihalich Day behind them (and the distractions of that even though it was a great day for the program), and playing frequently (three games in five days), all at home, they'll be ready to close out the right way in these last three with their sights set on D.C.
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Here are each team's possible ranks:

UNCW: 1, 2, or 3
Towson, 1, 2, 3, or 4
Us: 1, 2, 3, or 4
Drexel: 4, 5, or 6
Charleston: 4, 5, 6, 7, or 8
JMU: 6, 7, or 8
Elon: 6, 7, 8, or 9
W&M: 8, 9, or 10
Northeastern: 9 or 10

Every team except for Northeastern can finish in at least three spots. If Northeastern wins all three, W&M loses both, and Towson (who Northeastern beat) finishes above us (who W&M beat); or Towson finishes tied with us, Charleston wins their three games not against Northeastern, and Drexel loses both to drop into a tie with Charleston; Northeastern will win a tiebreaker over W&M.
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Evan you missed Delaware
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stuball888 wrote:Evan you missed Delaware

INTENTIONALLY! LOL
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stuball888 wrote: Evan you missed Delaware
Sorry. I remember checking that Delaware can tie for first, but can't win tiebreakers to be 1. I added them:

UNCW: 1, 2, or 3
Towson, 1, 2, 3, or 4
Us: 1, 2, 3, or 4
Delaware: 2, 3, 4, or 5
Drexel: 4, 5, or 6
Charleston: 4, 5, 6, 7, or 8
JMU: 6, 7, or 8
Elon: 6, 7, 8, or 9
W&M: 8, 9, or 10
Northeastern: 9 or 10

https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/ ... iction-all has predicted standings for every conference. The CAA is the only one with predicted standings that are symmetrical. The CAA had symmetrical standings twice, which were in 1987-1988 and 1990-1991. Here are Warren Nolan's predicted standings:

Towson 15-3
Hofstra 14-4
UNCW 13-5
Delaware 12-6
Drexel 11-7
Charleston 7-11
JMU 6-12
Elon 5-13
W&M 4-14
Northeastern 3-15

It's possible for Northeastern to finish with one win and have that be against the first place team. I wonder when the last time (if ever) that happened in any conference was.

I found the CAA's scenarios from before the last game of 2015-2016 saying the if all teibreakers in the CAA is tied, they would have used the RPI. The NET didn't exist then, and I assumed they would use the NET now. I posted on CSNBBS that I could not find a CAA rulebook, and a UNCW fan linked to a 2016-2017 file that said that if all tiebreakers in the CAA are tied, they flip a coin. In the unlikely event that we tie with UNCW, Towson ties with Delaware, all our CAA tiebreakers with UNCW are tied, we have the much better NET and are above them in every ranking of all 358 teams, and UNCW gets the 1 seed from a coin, we'll be mad.
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EvanJ wrote:
stuball888 wrote: Evan you missed Delaware
Sorry. I remember checking that Delaware can tie for first, but can't win tiebreakers to be 1. I added them:

UNCW: 1, 2, or 3
Towson, 1, 2, 3, or 4
Us: 1, 2, 3, or 4
Delaware: 2, 3, 4, or 5
Drexel: 4, 5, or 6
Charleston: 4, 5, 6, 7, or 8
JMU: 6, 7, or 8
Elon: 6, 7, 8, or 9
W&M: 8, 9, or 10
Northeastern: 9 or 10

https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/ ... iction-all has predicted standings for every conference. The CAA is the only one with predicted standings that are symmetrical. The CAA had symmetrical standings twice, which were in 1987-1988 and 1990-1991. Here are Warren Nolan's predicted standings:

Towson 15-3
Hofstra 14-4
UNCW 13-5
Delaware 12-6
Drexel 11-7
Charleston 7-11
JMU 6-12
Elon 5-13
W&M 4-14
Northeastern 3-15

It's possible for Northeastern to finish with one win and have that be against the first place team. I wonder when the last time (if ever) that happened in any conference was.

I found the CAA's scenarios from before the last game of 2015-2016 saying the if all teibreakers in the CAA is tied, they would have used the RPI. The NET didn't exist then, and I assumed they would use the NET now. I posted on CSNBBS that I could not find a CAA rulebook, and a UNCW fan linked to a 2016-2017 file that said that if all tiebreakers in the CAA are tied, they flip a coin. In the unlikely event that we tie with UNCW, Towson ties with Delaware, all our CAA tiebreakers with UNCW are tied, we have the much better NET and are above them in every ranking of all 358 teams, and UNCW gets the 1 seed from a coin, we'll be mad.
We're 99 on the NET AND our RPI is in the 30's. Crazy high our RPI. If they no longer use the RPI WHY DO THEY STILL CALCULATE IT??
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Possible tie breaker if the NET is not conclusive for at large?
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The NET is the only rating made by the NCAA, but anybody can make their own rankings. The Selection Committee has team sheets with multiple rankings. When I make my bracket, the first thing I do is write each team's NET and RPI.
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