NIT Thread

[Jojogunne]

Am I correct in assuming that the NIT pays for charter travel?

Also, speaking of the CBI and CIT tournaments, I don't see any CAA schools in them:

http://www.collegeinsider.com/tournamen ... esults.php

http://www.gazellegroup.com/main/cbi/20 ... announced/

[HUSID74]

I wonder how much this cost:

https://twitter.com/HofstraMBB/status/1 ... 0380056582

Whatever it is, it's money far better spent than paying to play in the CBI or CIT.

Totally agree and well deserved....great for recruiting as well!

[triplec2195]

I wonder how much this cost:

https://twitter.com/HofstraMBB/status/1 ... 0380056582

Nice now lets come home with a win!!

[Flying Dutchmen]

Also, speaking of the CBI and CIT tournaments, I don't see any CAA schools in them:

http://www.collegeinsider.com/tournamen ... esults.php

http://www.gazellegroup.com/main/cbi/20 ... announced/

Charleston's AD stated they were not interested in the CBI/CIT this year.

[Mikey77]

Not sure why these lower tiered tourneys are so criticized. So the kids get to play another few games and see other parts of the country. What's so wrong with that? I understand there is a cost factor but its a just reward for the players for a year of hard work and dedication.

[stuball888]

Mikey some of it is cost if you want to host also a lot of it is EGO

[Mikey77]

I get the cost stuff, but not the ego part. Its for the love of the game and a reward to the kids in my view and fun for the fans as well. No doubt not everyone is so pure of heart, but as William Jefferson Clinton once said don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

[HofstraHockey]

The NCAA handles all team travel for their tournaments (and they run the NIT). This is mostly done so they can secure hotels, flights, etc. before the teams and locations are announced.

[HofstraPride1]

The argument was always the CAA vs. staying in the America East.

Um, anyone see any America East teams in the NIT this year? Maybe second-place Stony Brook, going 24-8? No? Uh, how about third-place UMBC, off of last year's shocker over Virginia, with 21 wins this year? Hmm, no again? Anyone else from the America East in the NIT? No? Okay, then. Be glad the CAA at least has Hofstra in the NIT instead of whatever other garbage tourney you, yourself, and others here have complained about Hofstra playing in - because that's where Stony Brook, the America East's "mighty two seed" is headed, IF they're lucky.

They are automatically in NIT because of winning CAA regular season and it has nothing to do with strength of conference. If Vermont had lost in America East tourney they also would have been in NIT.

I get that, but although they only got a 7 seed, I think with 27 wins and 15 in the CAA, plus a CAA finals appearance, Hofstra would still have got one of the last NIT spots even if they had finished second in the CAA. In the AE, there's no chance at all of that. Of course, I'm assuming here, and we'll never know, but I think they'd have received an invitation, especially seeing some of the other teams rated lower than Hofstra who were non-regular season conference winners, who got invited - even if they got higher seeds than Hofstra (I think they're more likely to pick the correct teams than to seed them properly, which they're awful at, though some of that is to match up geography for travel the best they can).

Actually they would not have been in NIT had they not won CAA regular season based on our seeding. More reason they need to expand the NIT field to account for the automatic qualifiers.


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[HUSID74]

I get the cost stuff, but not the ego part. Its for the love of the game and a reward to the kids in my view and fun for the fans as well. No doubt not everyone is so pure of heart, but as William Jefferson Clinton once said don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

Agree with you Mikey....especially if you have a young team. The opportunity to practice a few more days and play some games could be a game changer for the next season

[Wags]

I get the cost stuff, but not the ego part. Its for the love of the game and a reward to the kids in my view and fun for the fans as well. No doubt not everyone is so pure of heart, but as William Jefferson Clinton once said don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

Agree with you Mikey....especially if you have a young team. The opportunity to practice a few more days and play some games could be a game changer for the next season

HUSID, Mikey, I was on this board saying the exact same thing when Hofstra was in this position in recent years. My view has changed, looking at this year's the CBI field, which includes:

Last-place West Virginia (14-20, 4-14), getting a CBI home game, no less!
Last-place DePaul (15-15, 7-11), home game for them too.
Longwood (15-17, 5-11), yup a home game for them also (so well deserved)
Cal State Northridge (13-20, 7-9)

At some point, you have to draw the line. Or, are we going to have postseason tournaments for everyone, including another new postseason tourney to see who's the champion among every team rated over 300?

[triplec2195]

I get the cost stuff, but not the ego part. Its for the love of the game and a reward to the kids in my view and fun for the fans as well. No doubt not everyone is so pure of heart, but as William Jefferson Clinton once said don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

Agree with you Mikey....especially if you have a young team. The opportunity to practice a few more days and play some games could be a game changer for the next season

HUSID, Mikey, I was on this board saying the exact same thing when Hofstra was in this position in recent years. My view has changed, looking at this year's the CBI field, which includes:

Last-place West Virginia (14-20, 4-14), getting a CBI home game, no less!
Last-place DePaul (15-15, 7-11), home game for them too.
Longwood (15-17, 5-11), yup a home game for them also (so well deserved)
Cal State Northridge (13-20, 7-9)

At some point, you have to draw the line. Or, are we going to have postseason tournaments for everyone, including another new postseason tourney to see who's the champion among every team rated over 300?

I wonder why they have these tournaments for teams that have had subpar seasons not even playing 500 basketball and why P-5 schools would want to play in them to begin with? Why can't they just expand the NCAA tournament and have teams that are on the so called "bubble" play each other to get into the NCAA tourney? There r a lot of teams who deserve to get in depending on what the RULE OF THE DAY IS! Teams like us would play N.C. State in a play in game to get in. However then what happens to the second tier tourney the NIT? More teams getting into the NCAA would eliminate a lot of the hard feelings schools have with the NCAA. This autonomous body that lives by its own rules and seemingly does what it damn well pleases with no worry of reprisals! There is such a fine line for entry into the NCAA tourney that inherently it can't be fair especially when subjective decisions are the determining factor in a lot of cases.

[HofstraPride1]

Not sure why these lower tiered tourneys are so criticized. So the kids get to play another few games and see other parts of the country. What's so wrong with that? I understand there is a cost factor but its a just reward for the players for a year of hard work and dedication.

The CBI and CIT are a joke and net no publicity for schools. I am glad Hofstra said no last year and hope they never play in them again. If not NCAAs or NIT, time to end season and look to next year.

[HofstraPride1]

They are automatically in NIT because of winning CAA regular season and it has nothing to do with strength of conference. If Vermont had lost in America East tourney they also would have been in NIT.[/quote]
I get that, but although they only got a 7 seed, I think with 27 wins and 15 in the CAA, plus a CAA finals appearance, Hofstra would still have got one of the last NIT spots even if they had finished second in the CAA. In the AE, there's no chance at all of that. Of course, I'm assuming here, and we'll never know, but I think they'd have received an invitation, especially seeing some of the other teams rated lower than Hofstra who were non-regular season conference winners, who got invited - even if they got higher seeds than Hofstra (I think they're more likely to pick the correct teams than to seed them properly, which they're awful at, though some of that is to match up geography for travel the best they can).[/quote]

Based on seeding and other teams in NIT I think is fair to say Hofstra would not have been in NIT had they not gotten automatic qualifier which underscores need for NIT to expand. I wish they would gut the CBI and CIT.

[joeg1]

I bet a booster(s) paid for the flight, as previously.

[HUSID74]

Looks like we're 9.5 point underdogs in this one....all the media that has come out in NC is how NC State was screwed out of an NCAA bid...hope they are still lamenting when they hit the court tonight.

Don't discount the revenge factor in this one as well....Keats was coach at UNCW when they beat us on OT in the CAA Championship in 2016...Know JOE IS MOTIVATED, hopefully his team is....Also on of NC St's best players is Bryce who was on the UNCW team...small world.

[ProudofPride]

We were definitely screwed by getting a 7 seed and I blame it on our Conference and our loser commissioner...who does nothing!

Look at the rankings of the 7 seeds; Hofstra 76, Wright St 140, S Dakota St 104, Loyola 128....COME ON MAN!

6 seeds; Harvard 129, Wichita 83, Toledo 62, San Diego 97

Tell me we weren't screwed.

Of course the commissioner goes out of his way to help the JMU women, who were rewarded with a home WNIT game (yes, I know it’s not run by the NCAA, but still). Anything for the conference’s favorite school, I guess.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Shane_DNRSpo ... 8161113088

[EvanJ]

Based on the RPI, the JMU Women deserved an at-large bid to the NCAA Tournament. I don't know if they would have gotten a WNIT home game without the CAA advocating for them, but they deserve a WNIT home game, and more than one IMO.

North Carolina State forces a lot of turnovers. We average only 9.8, but we averaged 16 2/3 in three game against teams who force more per game than North Carolina State. Those were Marshall, VCU, and Rider. We had 20 against Marshall, 19 against VCU, and no more than 14 against anybody else.

[Polito]

To not think that HU got screwed in the NIT seeding is pretty silly to me, quite clear they did, and many outside of us have noted it. Is it a huge deal? Nah, I agree it's not and it is what it is - but let's also not act like it didn't happen.

And there is not a chance in H E double hockey sticks this program gets an at-large had they not won the regular season - pipe dreaming folks. HU did not deserve it, and because it's run by the NCAA, would not have gotten it. It's really no better than the good-ol-boy network... it's the same thing lol just on a grander level!

The reason those lower tiered tourneys are trashed on is because they are trash. Agree 100% with HP1. Why is it necessary to reward mediocrity and worse?? This is sports folks, these are the equivalent of participation trophies. Just because they played the game of basketball all year that doesn't mean they "deserve" to keep playing in a tournament. They got a free education, that's the trade-off (for now). It's bad enough under .500 teams make the dance, all this rewarding failure nonsense needs to stop. There are winners and there are losers, that's LIFE. You get what you get. Those teams earned their way right out of the post-season, just as HU has before. I think we need to go back to allowing the concept of allowing failure to occur, and that not everyone wins nor is everyone in life entitled to something to sink back into society so we can re-grow a backbone and stop being so doggone soft.


As for tonight, I sure as heck HOPE revenge is a factor here - HU should come into this game furious, at the past and the present - they should play with a massive chip on their shoulders.

Coming out soft and weak here, with the history of Keatts, would be criminal. They better put some fire under those rears, and make Keatts pay.

Game will be played in the much smaller Reynolds arena, so there won't be 20k fans to deal with, and most of their fanbase is completely disinterested in this NIT match, but there will prob be a spirited loyal 4-5 to fill the place.

Really hope we see proper performances from those not named JWF, JT, or TC - looking right square at you Buie and Pemba. I'm sure we all know the odds of what is likely to happen here, but keeping hope that this team plays like it's supposed to in a big game against a big opponent in order to win back the feeling of this season - whoever wants it more wins, so ROLL PRIDE!

[triplec2195]

Very shaky game start for Eli so far!