Hofstra hosts 1-7 John Jay, a D3 program, on Sunday. Playing a D3 school in-season may be a first for us.
https://gohofstra.com/news/2021/12/10/m ... 1-300.aspx
I won't be going. If you'd like my two tickets, please PM me. I'll see if they can be left at Will Call.
Game 11 - John Jay, 12/12/21, 2 PM EST
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Re: Game 11 - John Jay, 12/12/21, 2 PM EST
We also played Farmingdale State in 2009/2010 and got a scare when Jenkins went down hard on a drive to basket but was thankfully OK. Am sure we have had other games against D3s but that is only other off top of my head. Not a fan of playing this kind of game especially when we already faced Molloy.
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Re: Game 11 - John Jay, 12/12/21, 2 PM EST
Shouldn’t be playing it but maybe some kids will get minutes. I don’t know if a blowout of a D3 team is going to behoove them with Arkansas up next.
Re: Game 11 - John Jay, 12/12/21, 2 PM EST
Not sure it matters much. They blew out NY Tech at home two years ago the game before they won at UCLA. If anything, it gets the taste out of their mouths from that second half at Stony Brook.triplec2195 wrote: I don’t know if a blowout of a D3 team is going to behoove them with Arkansas up next.
Re: Game 11 - John Jay, 12/12/21, 2 PM EST
Our largest early lead was 18 at 24-6. It's 28-15 with 7:36 left in the first half, so John Jay is on a 9-4 run, and we've scored 4 points in 5:12. Ray scored 11 with 3 threes and 1 two, and nobody else on either team has more than 5. We're still not drawing fouls, as each team has 3. We have 8 assists and 3 turnovers, and John Jay has 1 assist and 7 turnovers. Silverio, Burgess, and Carlos came off the bench, but not Cramer, so I hope he's okay. Iyiola had 4 points and 6 rebounds in 8 minutes. Silverio has 4 rebounds. Ray has 2 rebounds, so his streak of leading us in rebounds in three consecutive games will probably end. As I'm typing, John Jay is on a 9-0 run to go down 28-20, and it's not good if we need to call timeout a little after a media timeout. We haven't attempted a free throw. I'm leaving home, so I won't type any more during the game.
Re: Game 11 - John Jay, 12/12/21, 2 PM EST
We win 102 - 51, little more than a scrimmage…good to see Ray hot from three, Silverado smokin’ Estrada with 10 assists and Bey with a dominant game.
Cramer a no-show although he did warm-up and it looks likes our last four guys will not see ANY PT…on to Arkansas.
Cramer a no-show although he did warm-up and it looks likes our last four guys will not see ANY PT…on to Arkansas.
Re: Game 11 - John Jay, 12/12/21, 2 PM EST
The Monmouth game after Arkansas will also be tough.
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Re: Game 11 - John Jay, 12/12/21, 2 PM EST
At the game and I didn't think there was anything major going on with Cramer. He looked good during pre-game warm ups so probably being cautious with him heading in to the Arkansas game.
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Re: Game 11 - John Jay, 12/12/21, 2 PM EST
BTW something worth mentioning in the post game Speedy alluded to the SB game and apologized to the fan base saying the way we played was an embarrassment! How about that statement.
Re: Game 11 - John Jay, 12/12/21, 2 PM EST
In the last 26:02, which is 65 percent of the game, we outscored them 74-31. Ray led us in rebounds for three consecutive games, which ended when he tied for our fewest rebounds with 2, and he had our fewest rebounds per minutes.
Dubar had 24 points, 7 rebounds, 2 blocks, 3 steals, and shot 10-14. Ray had 22 points by shooting 7-9 including threes 6-7, but not much else positive. He had 2 rebounds, 1 assist, and 2 steals. He passed Frank Walker for twelfth in career points. Silverio had 20 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 4 steals, and shot 7-13 including threes 4-8. Cooks had 14 points, 4 rebounds, 5 assists, 4 steals, and shot 7-17 including missing all 5 threes. Iyiola had the only doubledouble on either team with 12 points and 14 rebounds. He shot 6-9 with all of the attempts being twos, and had 2 blocks adn 1 steal. Estrada had 7 rebounds, 6 rebounds, 10 assists, 1 block, and 5 steals. He shot 3-9 including threes 1-4. Carlos had 3 points, 2 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 block, and 2 steals in 21 minutes. He shot 1-5 including threes 1-4. Burgess missed 1 two and 1 three to not score. He had 2 rebounds and 3 assists.
We shot 41-78 (.526) including twos 27-45 (.600) and threes 14-33 (.624). We made 4 of our our first 16 threes, and 10 of our last 17. We shot free throws 6-7 (.857), with Cooks having the only miss. Ray, Silverio, and Dubar each made 2. Our 43 rebounds were 8 more than John Jay. Each team had 8 fouls. We had 28 assists and 9 turnovers. We were a little shot of our record of 30 assists against New York Tech. John Jay had 25 turnovers, so we had 16 fewer. We dominated second chance points (6 to 0), points in the paint (48 to 26), fast break points (22 to 0), blocks (7 to 0), steals (21 to 6), and assists (28 to 12).
It's hard to score 20, make half of your threes, and not be among your team's three stars, but if I were Jerry Beach, Silverio would miss out top three. It's hard to make 6 of 7 threes and not be your team's best player, but I thought he was close to Dubar, who shot 10-14 and had 7 rebounds to Ray's 2. The Analytics agrees with me. In Efiiciency, Dubar led with 33, and Ray had 24. In Game Score, Dubar led with 25.5, and Ray had 20.4. In Net Points, Cooks led with 12.0, Estrada had 9.0, Silverio had 5.5, Dubar had 4.7, and Ray had 2.9. It doesn't give the formula for Net Points, and it's not +/-. We had +31.4, and John Jay had -14.1, for a difference of 45.5. It +/-, Iyiola was with +50, Dubar was +48, Estrada was +47, Ray was +42, Cooks was +27, Silverio was +25, Burgess was +10, and Carlos was +6. Iyiola played 23 minutes. I wonder what our record is for highest +/- in 23 or fewer minutes.
John Jay used 16 players, 12 played at least 11 minute, and nobody played more than 23 minutes. I wonder what our record for players in a game is. Corey Jones Jr, was their only double-digit scorer with 10. Frankie Barbato scored 8 and shot 3-4. Juwan Fraser and Jordan Bell tied for their lead with 5 rebounds, and Bell had 3 assists. Fraser was +0 and was the only one of their players who didn't have a negative +/-. TJ Chisolm had 6 points and led them with 4 assists.
http://defiantlydutch.blogspot.com/2021 ... n-jay.html is Jerry Beach's "I'll Be Quirky: Hofstra vs. John Jay." He cited me and wrote:
"NOT QUITE ON THE REBOUND
Per loyal reader EvanJ, the 54 rebounds by Stony Brook were the most recorded by a Hofstra opponent since James Madison needed three overtimes to collect 55 rebounds in the Dutchmen’s 95-88 win on Feb. 9, 2005. In addition, the 20 offensive rebounds by Stony Brook were the most by an opponent since Towson had 22 offensive rebounds in a 76-65 win on Feb. 27, 2020. Twelve days later the Dutchmen (thought they) were dancing, so there’s that?"
I remember February 9, 2005 because I visited one of my friends after his grandpa died, the game was on TV, and I watched the end when I got home.
Here are how our statistics changed:
Cooks: 17.7 to 17.4 points, 3.3 to 3.4 rebounds, 4.0 to 4.1 assists, 2.0 to 2.2 steals
Estrada: 13.6 to 13.0 points, 5.3 to 5.4 rebounds, 4.6 to 5.1 assists, 0.8 to 1.2 steals
Ray: 12.8 to 13.8 points (passed Estrada), 4.8 to 4.4 rebounds, 0.5 to 0.7 steals, .352 to .392 field goal percentage (twos .222 and threes over double that at .457)
Dubar: 12.5 to 13.6 points (passed Estrada), 6.0 to 6.1 rebounds, 1.1 to 1.2 blocks, 1.1 to 1.3 steals, field goal percentage .595 to .612
Silverio: 11.4 to 12.2 points, 2.9 to 3.2 rebounds, 0.5 to 0.8 steals (had 5 in 10 games before today and 4 today), field goal percentage .418 to .433, three-point field goal percentage .388 to .400
Iyiola: 6.3 to 7.1 points (passed Cramer), 6.2 to 7.3 rebounds, 0.3 to 0.6 blocks, if he plays in every game he will start qualifying for statistics leader after January 3
Burgess: 0.8 to 0.7 points, 1.1 to 1.2 rebounds, 3.2 to 3.18 assists
Carlos: 0.8 to 1.2 points, 1.2 to 1.7 assists, first block, 0.2 to 0.5 steals, barring injuries to other players he probably will not play in 75 percent of the games to qualify for statistics
Team: 77.3 to 79.5 points, 33.4 to 34.3 rebounds, 16.4 to 17.5 assists, 3.0 to 3.4 blocks, 6.4 to 7.7 steals, 1.59 to 1.73 assists/turnover, .474 to .479 field goal percentage, .356 to .363 three-point field goal percentage, .720 to .728 free throw percentage.
I wonder when the last time (if ever) we had at least four players average at least 5 rebounds was. Dubar, Estrada, Iyiola, and Cramer could do that.
Dubar had 24 points, 7 rebounds, 2 blocks, 3 steals, and shot 10-14. Ray had 22 points by shooting 7-9 including threes 6-7, but not much else positive. He had 2 rebounds, 1 assist, and 2 steals. He passed Frank Walker for twelfth in career points. Silverio had 20 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 4 steals, and shot 7-13 including threes 4-8. Cooks had 14 points, 4 rebounds, 5 assists, 4 steals, and shot 7-17 including missing all 5 threes. Iyiola had the only doubledouble on either team with 12 points and 14 rebounds. He shot 6-9 with all of the attempts being twos, and had 2 blocks adn 1 steal. Estrada had 7 rebounds, 6 rebounds, 10 assists, 1 block, and 5 steals. He shot 3-9 including threes 1-4. Carlos had 3 points, 2 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 block, and 2 steals in 21 minutes. He shot 1-5 including threes 1-4. Burgess missed 1 two and 1 three to not score. He had 2 rebounds and 3 assists.
We shot 41-78 (.526) including twos 27-45 (.600) and threes 14-33 (.624). We made 4 of our our first 16 threes, and 10 of our last 17. We shot free throws 6-7 (.857), with Cooks having the only miss. Ray, Silverio, and Dubar each made 2. Our 43 rebounds were 8 more than John Jay. Each team had 8 fouls. We had 28 assists and 9 turnovers. We were a little shot of our record of 30 assists against New York Tech. John Jay had 25 turnovers, so we had 16 fewer. We dominated second chance points (6 to 0), points in the paint (48 to 26), fast break points (22 to 0), blocks (7 to 0), steals (21 to 6), and assists (28 to 12).
It's hard to score 20, make half of your threes, and not be among your team's three stars, but if I were Jerry Beach, Silverio would miss out top three. It's hard to make 6 of 7 threes and not be your team's best player, but I thought he was close to Dubar, who shot 10-14 and had 7 rebounds to Ray's 2. The Analytics agrees with me. In Efiiciency, Dubar led with 33, and Ray had 24. In Game Score, Dubar led with 25.5, and Ray had 20.4. In Net Points, Cooks led with 12.0, Estrada had 9.0, Silverio had 5.5, Dubar had 4.7, and Ray had 2.9. It doesn't give the formula for Net Points, and it's not +/-. We had +31.4, and John Jay had -14.1, for a difference of 45.5. It +/-, Iyiola was with +50, Dubar was +48, Estrada was +47, Ray was +42, Cooks was +27, Silverio was +25, Burgess was +10, and Carlos was +6. Iyiola played 23 minutes. I wonder what our record is for highest +/- in 23 or fewer minutes.
John Jay used 16 players, 12 played at least 11 minute, and nobody played more than 23 minutes. I wonder what our record for players in a game is. Corey Jones Jr, was their only double-digit scorer with 10. Frankie Barbato scored 8 and shot 3-4. Juwan Fraser and Jordan Bell tied for their lead with 5 rebounds, and Bell had 3 assists. Fraser was +0 and was the only one of their players who didn't have a negative +/-. TJ Chisolm had 6 points and led them with 4 assists.
http://defiantlydutch.blogspot.com/2021 ... n-jay.html is Jerry Beach's "I'll Be Quirky: Hofstra vs. John Jay." He cited me and wrote:
"NOT QUITE ON THE REBOUND
Per loyal reader EvanJ, the 54 rebounds by Stony Brook were the most recorded by a Hofstra opponent since James Madison needed three overtimes to collect 55 rebounds in the Dutchmen’s 95-88 win on Feb. 9, 2005. In addition, the 20 offensive rebounds by Stony Brook were the most by an opponent since Towson had 22 offensive rebounds in a 76-65 win on Feb. 27, 2020. Twelve days later the Dutchmen (thought they) were dancing, so there’s that?"
I remember February 9, 2005 because I visited one of my friends after his grandpa died, the game was on TV, and I watched the end when I got home.
Here are how our statistics changed:
Cooks: 17.7 to 17.4 points, 3.3 to 3.4 rebounds, 4.0 to 4.1 assists, 2.0 to 2.2 steals
Estrada: 13.6 to 13.0 points, 5.3 to 5.4 rebounds, 4.6 to 5.1 assists, 0.8 to 1.2 steals
Ray: 12.8 to 13.8 points (passed Estrada), 4.8 to 4.4 rebounds, 0.5 to 0.7 steals, .352 to .392 field goal percentage (twos .222 and threes over double that at .457)
Dubar: 12.5 to 13.6 points (passed Estrada), 6.0 to 6.1 rebounds, 1.1 to 1.2 blocks, 1.1 to 1.3 steals, field goal percentage .595 to .612
Silverio: 11.4 to 12.2 points, 2.9 to 3.2 rebounds, 0.5 to 0.8 steals (had 5 in 10 games before today and 4 today), field goal percentage .418 to .433, three-point field goal percentage .388 to .400
Iyiola: 6.3 to 7.1 points (passed Cramer), 6.2 to 7.3 rebounds, 0.3 to 0.6 blocks, if he plays in every game he will start qualifying for statistics leader after January 3
Burgess: 0.8 to 0.7 points, 1.1 to 1.2 rebounds, 3.2 to 3.18 assists
Carlos: 0.8 to 1.2 points, 1.2 to 1.7 assists, first block, 0.2 to 0.5 steals, barring injuries to other players he probably will not play in 75 percent of the games to qualify for statistics
Team: 77.3 to 79.5 points, 33.4 to 34.3 rebounds, 16.4 to 17.5 assists, 3.0 to 3.4 blocks, 6.4 to 7.7 steals, 1.59 to 1.73 assists/turnover, .474 to .479 field goal percentage, .356 to .363 three-point field goal percentage, .720 to .728 free throw percentage.
I wonder when the last time (if ever) we had at least four players average at least 5 rebounds was. Dubar, Estrada, Iyiola, and Cramer could do that.
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Re: Game 11 - John Jay, 12/12/21, 2 PM EST
Brutal.Jojogunne wrote:The Monmouth game after Arkansas will also be tough.
Re: Game 11 - John Jay, 12/12/21, 2 PM EST
I think the Athletic Department should invest in one or two table mics for the post-game press conferences. I couldn't hear anything:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZGevZHd19Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZGevZHd19Q
Re: Game 11 - John Jay, 12/12/21, 2 PM EST
https://gohofstra.com/news/2021/12/12/m ... n-jay.aspx is titled "MBB: Hofstra Tops 1,300 Program Wins in Dominant Display Against John Jay."
We lead the CAA in field goal percentage (.479), assists (17.5), assist/turnover ratio (1.73, Drexel is second at 1.14, Drexel is much closer to last than to first), and three-pointers per game (10.7). That's 4 of the 21 categories. Cooks (1st with 17.4), Ray (8th with 13.8), Dubar (10th with 13.5), Estrada (12th with 13.0), and Silverio (16th with 12.2) are in the scoring leaders. Cramer leads in field goal percentage at .714. Estrada leads in assists with 5.1, Cooks is 2nd with 4.1, and Burgess is 9th with 3.2. Cooks is 2nd in steals with 2.2, and 1st has 2.3. Ray leads in threes made per game, and Silverio is 3rd. Burgess leads in assist/turnover ratio at 4.4, and 2nd has 2.4. Cooks leads with 36.7 minutes. All seven of our players who have played in at least 75 percent of games to qualify are in the leaders in at least two categories. We have five players leading the CAA in a category. If Charleston's Dimitrius Underwood doesn't get a steal on Thursday, Cooks will take the lead, and they will be tied if Underwood gets 1 steal. If that happens and Reyne Smith makes 5 or fewer threes to remain behind Ray, we will go into Arkansas with the leader in a majority of the 13 categories.
We lead the CAA in field goal percentage (.479), assists (17.5), assist/turnover ratio (1.73, Drexel is second at 1.14, Drexel is much closer to last than to first), and three-pointers per game (10.7). That's 4 of the 21 categories. Cooks (1st with 17.4), Ray (8th with 13.8), Dubar (10th with 13.5), Estrada (12th with 13.0), and Silverio (16th with 12.2) are in the scoring leaders. Cramer leads in field goal percentage at .714. Estrada leads in assists with 5.1, Cooks is 2nd with 4.1, and Burgess is 9th with 3.2. Cooks is 2nd in steals with 2.2, and 1st has 2.3. Ray leads in threes made per game, and Silverio is 3rd. Burgess leads in assist/turnover ratio at 4.4, and 2nd has 2.4. Cooks leads with 36.7 minutes. All seven of our players who have played in at least 75 percent of games to qualify are in the leaders in at least two categories. We have five players leading the CAA in a category. If Charleston's Dimitrius Underwood doesn't get a steal on Thursday, Cooks will take the lead, and they will be tied if Underwood gets 1 steal. If that happens and Reyne Smith makes 5 or fewer threes to remain behind Ray, we will go into Arkansas with the leader in a majority of the 13 categories.
Re: Game 11 - John Jay, 12/12/21, 2 PM EST
How come we only played 8 guys - aren't there more than 8 on team ?
I know Cramer and Simmons are hurt - what about the others ?
I know Cramer and Simmons are hurt - what about the others ?
Re: Game 11 - John Jay, 12/12/21, 2 PM EST
Yup - No Bethea, no Tomasco, not even Marshall who i believe is a walk on. I was yelling to clear the bench, but clearly there was never a thought to play anyone past the 8. Also, Burgess barely played in this game too. Doesn't seem like he will be much in the rotation going forward. I thought he looked disinterested as well. I;m assuming Bethea, Tomasco and Barouk are all red shirting at this point.
Re: Game 11 - John Jay, 12/12/21, 2 PM EST
During halftime warm-ups of the Stony Brook game, Bethea looked like the best shooter out there. He was draining 3's with ease. He didn't look hurt to me and he certainly didn't appear to lack talent. Purely speculation, but could there be a disciplinary reason he's not playing? Can't really think of any other reason why he couldn't even make an appearance against John Jay.
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Re: Game 11 - John Jay, 12/12/21, 2 PM EST
I don't even remember seeing Bethea shoot a three in recent memory. He has been in street clothes for a while it's only been recent that he has participated in pre game warmups. We pretty much know Tomasco and Barrouk are red shirting but probably Bethea as well? It seems to me that he is still a freshman? Will he ever play? I don't think we should assume Cramer is hurt he looked good in pre game vs John Jay. I know Speedy wanted to get Carlos some meaningful minutes so maybe that's the reason we didn't see Marshall but if he's not going to get a few minutes in that game will he ever get out on the floor??Dooku25 wrote:During halftime warm-ups of the Stony Brook game, Bethea looked like the best shooter out there. He was draining 3's with ease. He didn't look hurt to me and he certainly didn't appear to lack talent. Purely speculation, but could there be a disciplinary reason he's not playing? Can't really think of any other reason why he couldn't even make an appearance against John Jay.
Re: Game 11 - John Jay, 12/12/21, 2 PM EST
Based on what I saw in warmups Cramer is fine...probably some disciplinary thing...as for the rotation it will be 10 players once Simmons gets back on the floor...Good news is that Simmons was walking around pretty well without the huge brace he's been wearing for a month.
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Re: Game 11 - John Jay, 12/12/21, 2 PM EST
Yes these post pressers have been awful like amateur hour.Jojogunne wrote:I think the Athletic Department should invest in one or two table mics for the post-game press conferences. I couldn't hear anything:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZGevZHd19Q
Re: Game 11 - John Jay, 12/12/21, 2 PM EST
It worked again. Maybe they should always play a lower division team at home before trying for a huge road upset.Wags wrote:Not sure it matters much. They blew out NY Tech at home two years ago the game before they won at UCLA. If anything, it gets the taste out of their mouths from that second half at Stony Brook.triplec2195 wrote: I don’t know if a blowout of a D3 team is going to behoove them with Arkansas up next.